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Old 06-05-2007, 03:16 AM   #1
MiamiCuse
 
Default Leaf blower and vaccuum on top of roof

Hi:

I need some advise as to the lightest leaf vaccuum that I can use in the
following situation.

I have a courtyard style home - the house itself wraps around a central
courtyard with a pool in the middle. There are a few large trees on the
outside and their leaves will fall on to the roof and into the pool, so an
overhead screen enclosure was erected to keep leaves and insects out. Here
are two pics and it's easier to see than describe:

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/P1000994.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/P1000991.jpg

As you can see, there is a valley or built-in gutter around the entire
perimeter which now traps the leaves, there are also leaves on the lowest
part of the screen.

The challenge is how to clean the leaves out.

I cannot use a blower since there is no where to blow, would end up landing
on another part of the gutter or screen anyways. I cannot clean the gutter
from below on a ladder because the screen is in the way. So I need to get a
leaf vaccuum.

I noticed that are four kind - electric corded, electric rechargeable,
backpack and gas. My concerns is basically I am little afraid of height,
walking on that roof is ok, but I am concerned about walking on that roof
with a 15 pound blower that may cause me to lose balance when changing
directions, or if I have to lean over to get the leave on the low side of
the screen. So I need the lightest possible blower that would work as a
vaccuum for leaves, but in researching the matter everyone seems to think
gas blower is the only way to go. Also, the courtyard is about 50 feet by
45 feet so if I use an electric one I need a very long cord I would think.

Any suggestions on what brand/model blower/vaccuum I need? or if you have
another idea to do the job without the risk I rather not have to do it,
hiring someone to do it is a posssibility but the normal lawn people will
hesitate to go up to the roof as they don't carry insurance if they fall for
any reason is my problem again.

Thank you for your time.

MC


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Old 06-05-2007, 03:16 AM   #2
JimR
 
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"MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]>
> As you can see, there is a valley or built-in gutter around the entire
> perimeter which now traps the leaves, there are also leaves on the lowest
> part of the screen.
>
> The challenge is how to clean the leaves out.
>


[snip]

I, too, don't like the idea of trying to walk around on a sloping roof
carrying a heavy vacuum. There are probably a few factors that don't come
out in your post or pictures -- e.g., how many leaves are we talking about;
where does the rainwater drain out, etc.

Some ideas / suggestions you may have already considered:

1. From my experience -- using a blower to blow leaves out of a gutter
isn't effective (as you said). Leaves go everywhere.
2. You may have another problem -- you don't want to be walking on your
roof tile any more than necessary
3. An outdoor vacuum may not be very effective, especially if the leaves
mat up and are wet
4. There is a gas-engined power head to which you can add various
accessories -- one of the accessories is a vacuum. Ryobi, John Deere, and
others make the power head and accessories. Don't go that route because
it's too awkward and heavy.
5. My first efforts would be to use something I didn't have to carry --
a. A regular garden hose with a good nozzle, assuming there are few
enough leaves to wash them down the downspout where the rainwater goes;
b. Or a small electric pressure washer if you need a little more oomph.
You'd have to carry the unit to the roof plus run electricity and water to
the unit, but electric pressure washers are light-weight and comparatively
inexpensive.
c. If you have a good number of leaves, and they're wet, sweep the
leaves down the gutter with a broom and then pick them up manually with one
of those 3' long grabbers available at the BORGs.
d. If I had to use a vacuum, I'd take the wheels off a light-weight
wet-dry shop-vac (one with 2 1/2" diameter hose), buy an extra length of
hose for more range, then carry everything onto the roof and use the 6' wand
and a medium nozzle to pick up the leaves (actually, in this case you could
probably use the same equipment attached to the blower end to first-of-all
corral all of the leaves in one small area).
6. Also, before anything else, I'd look to see what my neighbors in similar
houses do --

Regards --


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Old 06-05-2007, 03:16 AM   #3
Bill Rose
 
Default Re: Leaf blower and vaccuum on top of roof

In article <S1s6i.19765$3P3.15110@newsread3.news.pas.earthlin k.net>,
"JimR" <jimr@invalid.net> wrote:

> "MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:soCdnUU7O-V6A8TbnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@dsli.com...
>
> [snip]>
> > As you can see, there is a valley or built-in gutter around the entire
> > perimeter which now traps the leaves, there are also leaves on the lowest
> > part of the screen.
> >
> > The challenge is how to clean the leaves out.
> >

>
> [snip]
>
> I, too, don't like the idea of trying to walk around on a sloping roof
> carrying a heavy vacuum. There are probably a few factors that don't come
> out in your post or pictures -- e.g., how many leaves are we talking about;
> where does the rainwater drain out, etc.
>
> Some ideas / suggestions you may have already considered:
>
> 1. From my experience -- using a blower to blow leaves out of a gutter
> isn't effective (as you said). Leaves go everywhere.
> 2. You may have another problem -- you don't want to be walking on your
> roof tile any more than necessary
> 3. An outdoor vacuum may not be very effective, especially if the leaves
> mat up and are wet
> 4. There is a gas-engined power head to which you can add various
> accessories -- one of the accessories is a vacuum. Ryobi, John Deere, and
> others make the power head and accessories. Don't go that route because
> it's too awkward and heavy.
> 5. My first efforts would be to use something I didn't have to carry --
> a. A regular garden hose with a good nozzle, assuming there are few
> enough leaves to wash them down the downspout where the rainwater goes;
> b. Or a small electric pressure washer if you need a little more oomph.
> You'd have to carry the unit to the roof plus run electricity and water to
> the unit, but electric pressure washers are light-weight and comparatively
> inexpensive.
> c. If you have a good number of leaves, and they're wet, sweep the
> leaves down the gutter with a broom and then pick them up manually with one
> of those 3' long grabbers available at the BORGs.
> d. If I had to use a vacuum, I'd take the wheels off a light-weight
> wet-dry shop-vac (one with 2 1/2" diameter hose), buy an extra length of
> hose for more range, then carry everything onto the roof and use the 6' wand
> and a medium nozzle to pick up the leaves (actually, in this case you could
> probably use the same equipment attached to the blower end to first-of-all
> corral all of the leaves in one small area).
> 6. Also, before anything else, I'd look to see what my neighbors in similar
> houses do --
>
> Regards --


If I understand you correctly, there is a grating (grill) over your
gutter. If your gutter isn't draining, maybe what you need is a snake
for you down spout.
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
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Old 06-05-2007, 03:16 AM   #4
Buderschnookie
 
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"MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:soCdnUU7O-V6A8TbnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@dsli.com...
>
> Any suggestions on what brand/model blower/vaccuum I need? or if you have
> another idea to do the job without the risk I rather not have to do it,
> hiring someone to do it is a posssibility but the normal lawn people will
> hesitate to go up to the roof as they don't carry insurance if they fall
> for any reason is my problem again.
>



I had a similar situation and hired the gutter guys to do it.
Then they designed a nifty gutter guard system so it would not happen again.
The problems is with the screen enclosure design- they never put enough
consideration into the maintenance end of things.


--
Toni
South Florida USA
USDA Zone 10
http://www.cearbhaill.com



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Old 06-05-2007, 03:16 AM   #5
bent
 
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wrt blowers I now use a corded one and its fine for single blowing yard use;
I used to own a pro gas model, and it came with a free vacuum attachment (an
echo option), but I can't comment cause I never used/needed it. I bet it
would be great sucking out window wells. The tube may be larger than a
shop-vac's (4" instead of 2" for example). I would think a rechargable
would do a decent single purpose job. Maybe test drive them.

You may conside an extension pole, and/or something to step on. It'd be
concerned with creating a clean-out opening option. Maybe a combination or
suck/blow/water blast. Or just flop it down (a 16" high gated hinged
window mesh/ wire frame) and use a rake. I have down crazy things to get at
leaves. After you've done it thousand times, nothing is dumb


"MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:soCdnUU7O-V6A8TbnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@dsli.com...
> Hi:
>
> I need some advise as to the lightest leaf vaccuum that I can use in the
> following situation.
>
> I have a courtyard style home - the house itself wraps around a central
> courtyard with a pool in the middle. There are a few large trees on the
> outside and their leaves will fall on to the roof and into the pool, so an
> overhead screen enclosure was erected to keep leaves and insects out.
> Here are two pics and it's easier to see than describe:
>
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/P1000994.jpg
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/P1000991.jpg
>
> As you can see, there is a valley or built-in gutter around the entire
> perimeter which now traps the leaves, there are also leaves on the lowest
> part of the screen.
>
> The challenge is how to clean the leaves out.
>
> I cannot use a blower since there is no where to blow, would end up
> landing on another part of the gutter or screen anyways. I cannot clean
> the gutter from below on a ladder because the screen is in the way. So I
> need to get a leaf vaccuum.
>
> I noticed that are four kind - electric corded, electric rechargeable,
> backpack and gas. My concerns is basically I am little afraid of height,
> walking on that roof is ok, but I am concerned about walking on that roof
> with a 15 pound blower that may cause me to lose balance when changing
> directions, or if I have to lean over to get the leave on the low side of
> the screen. So I need the lightest possible blower that would work as a
> vaccuum for leaves, but in researching the matter everyone seems to think
> gas blower is the only way to go. Also, the courtyard is about 50 feet
> by 45 feet so if I use an electric one I need a very long cord I would
> think.
>
> Any suggestions on what brand/model blower/vaccuum I need? or if you have
> another idea to do the job without the risk I rather not have to do it,
> hiring someone to do it is a posssibility but the normal lawn people will
> hesitate to go up to the roof as they don't carry insurance if they fall
> for any reason is my problem again.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> MC
>
>




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Old 06-05-2007, 03:16 AM   #6
Art
 
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MiamiCuse wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I need some advise as to the lightest leaf vaccuum that I can use in the
> following situation.
>
> I have a courtyard style home - the house itself wraps around a central
> courtyard with a pool in the middle. There are a few large trees on the
> outside and their leaves will fall on to the roof and into the pool, so an
> overhead screen enclosure was erected to keep leaves and insects out. Here
> are two pics and it's easier to see than describe:
>
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/P1000994.jpg
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/P1000991.jpg
>
> As you can see, there is a valley or built-in gutter around the entire
> perimeter which now traps the leaves, there are also leaves on the lowest
> part of the screen.
>
> The challenge is how to clean the leaves out.
>
> I cannot use a blower since there is no where to blow, would end up landing
> on another part of the gutter or screen anyways. I cannot clean the gutter
> from below on a ladder because the screen is in the way. So I need to get a
> leaf vaccuum.
>
> I noticed that are four kind - electric corded, electric rechargeable,
> backpack and gas. My concerns is basically I am little afraid of height,
> walking on that roof is ok, but I am concerned about walking on that roof
> with a 15 pound blower that may cause me to lose balance when changing
> directions, or if I have to lean over to get the leave on the low side of
> the screen. So I need the lightest possible blower that would work as a
> vaccuum for leaves, but in researching the matter everyone seems to think
> gas blower is the only way to go. Also, the courtyard is about 50 feet by
> 45 feet so if I use an electric one I need a very long cord I would think.
>
> Any suggestions on what brand/model blower/vaccuum I need? or if you have
> another idea to do the job without the risk I rather not have to do it,
> hiring someone to do it is a posssibility but the normal lawn people will
> hesitate to go up to the roof as they don't carry insurance if they fall for
> any reason is my problem again.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> MC
>


It is very rare for anyone to be satisfied with the performance of any
of the handheld leaf vacs. They just don't create enough vacuum to pick
up much.

I don't have a solution to your problem except my advice to look at
something other than a handheld vac. Sorry...

--
Art
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