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Old 06-14-2007, 07:11 AM   #7
Steve Barker LT
 
Default Re: Installing Electric oven.. 12AWG leads?

Electrics are for people who eat out. No amount of real cooking can be done
on one.

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Steve Barker



"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message
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> Agree, and would also like to ask why the heck anyone would ever consider
> replacing a gas stove with an electric? I thought electrics were only
> bought by people who lived out in the sticks and couldn't get a gas hook
> up?
>
> nate
>
> RBM wrote:
>> More likely it's #10, and possibly a high temperature insulation, but in
>> any event, if it has a U.L. label on it, I'd assume it has been tested
>> and is safe. The internal wiring of equipment is done under different
>> standards than those used in building wiring
>>
>>
>>
>> "mcfly32" <mcfly32@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1165083900.317189.190730@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>>I'm about to install an electric oven in our house to replace an
>>>existing gas oven. The oven's installation instructions state that 8AWG
>>>wire should be used to power with 40A breaker protection. Ok, makes
>>>sense.
>>>
>>>Here's the question: The oven has factory installed leads running out
>>>of the oven via flexible conduit. There are two hots (a black and a
>>>red), a neutral and a ground. The two hots are #12 wire, and the
>>>neutral is #16! Is this safe to use, or should I re-wire to use #8 into
>>>the oven? The leads are probably about 5-6ft runs.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>-Eric
>>>

>>
>>
>>

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Old 06-14-2007, 07:11 AM   #8
RBM
 
Default Re: Installing Electric oven.. 12AWG leads?

Clearly it's high temperature, sometimes the conductors are made of Nickel
as well


"mcfly32" <mcfly32@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The wire in the flexible conduit is most definitely labeled 12 AWG.
> Whether or not it is mislabeled, I don't know.
>
> The labeling on the red wire is as follows. Black is similar if not the
> same:
> 12AWG E-44576(14) AWM 3173 600V 125C -- LL14432(14) CSA XLPE CL1251
> 125C 600V FT2
>
> I think this means it is #12, rated up to 600 volts and 125 degrees
> Celsius (so better ampacity than standard THHN, but 10A better?).
>
> Thanks for the reply. The oven is UL rated, but I purchased it "open
> box". I just want to make sure that the leads are safe.. it appears it
> came from the factory this way by the way it was crimped into the
> internal electronics of the oven (same crimps and crimp connectors as
> others on the unit, very clean). But #12 just seems too small, thus I'm
> conflicted
>
> -Eric
>



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Old 06-14-2007, 07:11 AM   #9
Nate Nagel
 
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mcfly32 wrote:
> My understanding is that electric ovens have better heat control while
> cooking than do gas.


I disagree; personally, I find adjusting a gas flame to be much more
intuitive than a rheostat controlling a coil of unknown resistance.
Also the gas burner has almost no thermal mass; if you want to stop
cooking something immediately (such as pasta that has achieved the
perfect level of doneness) on an electric, you either have to move the
pot to a spare burner or if there's none available, you need to have a
trivet handy. On a gas stove, you simply turn the knob to "off." Now
as for the oven itself, I can't say that I've noticed much difference,
although I hardly ever bake anything more complicated than a pizza
(that's the girlie's department.)

> Plus, I have solar panels producing electricity
> for me
>


Now that is an argument I can respect; while I far prefer cooking with
gas, cooking for free is a good inducement to switch.

nate

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Old 06-14-2007, 07:11 AM   #10
Don Fearn
 
Default Re: Installing Electric oven.. 12AWG leads?

I think it was Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net> who stated:

>mcfly32 wrote:
>> My understanding is that electric ovens have better heat control while
>> cooking than do gas.

>
>I disagree; personally, I find adjusting a gas flame to be much more
>intuitive than a rheostat controlling a coil of unknown resistance.
>Also the gas burner has almost no thermal mass; if you want to stop
>cooking something immediately (such as pasta that has achieved the


Ovens. You're talking stovetops; mcfly32 said ovens.

Stovetops are MUCH better gas -- IMNSHO . . . .
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:11 AM   #11
oldal4865
 
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mcfly32 wrote in message
<1165083900.317189.190730@73g2000cwn.googlegroups. com>...
>I'm about to install an electric oven in our house to replace an
>existing gas oven. The oven's installation instructions state that 8AWG
>wire should be used to power with 40A breaker protection. Ok, makes
>sense.
>
>Here's the question: The oven has factory installed leads running out
>of the oven via flexible conduit. There are two hots (a black and a
>red), a neutral and a ground. The two hots are #12 wire, and the
>neutral is #16! Is this safe to use, or should I re-wire to use #8 into
>the oven? The leads are probably about 5-6ft runs.
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Eric
>


Just installed one a few weeks ago.

If you read the instructions word for word, you may find. . . .as I did. .
..a short blurb to the effect that although the factory-supplied wire looks
to be too thin, it will do the job because of the superior insulation.

Regards
Al


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Old 06-14-2007, 07:11 AM   #12
hallerb@aol.com
 
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Plus, I have solar panels producing electricity
> for me
> > -Eric


so how many giga bucks does it cost to run a electric stove off solar
panels?

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