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Old 06-09-2007, 12:17 AM   #1
bryan
 
Default Trim Around Hinges


Hi all,


I'm adding new trim to all the doors in my house. The material is flat
1x4 MDF. Since the trim is flat, I thought it would look cleaner with
no reveal. But that means I need to cut back the trim around the
hinges.

I'm wondering about a couple of things the collective experience may
know.


a.) How important is the reveal? Is my clean approach stupid for some
reason other than the fact that you need to cut around the hinges.

b.) What is the best tool to get the cleanest cut out for the hinge.

Thanks,

-bryan

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:18 AM   #2
RicodJour
 
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bryan wrote:
>
> I'm adding new trim to all the doors in my house. The material is

flat
> 1x4 MDF. Since the trim is flat, I thought it would look cleaner

with
> no reveal. But that means I need to cut back the trim around the
> hinges.
>
> I'm wondering about a couple of things the collective experience may
> know.
>
>
> a.) How important is the reveal? Is my clean approach stupid for

some
> reason other than the fact that you need to cut around the hinges.
>
> b.) What is the best tool to get the cleanest cut out for the hinge.


I don't think your approach is "clean". Are you planning on using a
cove bit to follow the hinge barrel radius? Are your casings and other
trim totally featureless? Do you like the squeaking sound that a
closely conforming "clean" cut will make as the wood rubs on the metal?
The gaps that you'll have to build in to keep the hinge from rubbing
will be far more objectionable than a uniform reveal.

If you go ahead with the cut to fit plan, how are you going to remove
the hinge pins when you want to take off the door? Hint - not. You're
now in for removing the screws which is much more of a pain in the ass.

The reveal adds detail (in architectural woodworking, you pay for
shadow lines - they add visual depth) and makes it _much_ easier to fit
the casing.

R

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:18 AM   #3
bryan
 
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Thank you for your reply. You're clearly an *A*dvanced *A*rchitecture
*S*cholar. Yes, my trim is featureless. I like it that way; nice and
simple, clean square lines. But that's just my opinion and taste of
which you obviously possess better of each. And the scraping sound you
are referring to and the hinge pin problem is why I intend to cut out
the trim around the hinge. I'm thinking about using a router with a
raised panel cove bit and to recess the trim around the hinges.

Thanks for all your help!

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:18 AM   #4
RicodJour
 
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bryan wrote:
> Thank you for your reply. You're clearly an *A*dvanced

*A*rchitecture
> *S*cholar. Yes, my trim is featureless. I like it that way; nice

and
> simple, clean square lines. But that's just my opinion and taste of
> which you obviously possess better of each. And the scraping sound

you
> are referring to and the hinge pin problem is why I intend to cut out
> the trim around the hinge. I'm thinking about using a router with a
> raised panel cove bit and to recess the trim around the hinges.


Quite possibly I do have better taste than you do, but that's entirely
besides the point. It's your house and you'll obviously do as you see
fit.

Your trim is not featureless, it stands proud from the wall. If you
want modern, eliminate the casing entirely. I worked on the old
Central Savings Bank renovation in NYC and collaborated with the
architect on designing exactly that sort of feature. I also fail to
see how three notches constitutes clean lines. I'd call that a kludge.
You could rethink your hardware - butt hinges ate not necessarily the
way to go.

I would love to see how cutting out around the hinge will enable you to
remove the hinge pin. The hinge pin needs to slide up 3.5" before it
pops out. Are you planning to extend that clean notch that far?

Do yourself a favor. Make a mockup. Pop for the $5 in trim and cut it
until it works for you. I think you might find the effect is not quite
what you're imagining.

R

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:18 AM   #5
RicodJour
 
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I forgot to mention one thing. Have you ever tried to line up casing
with the edge of a door frame? About ten or fifteen years ago I did
exactly what you intend to do (not with MDF though). If I wasn't
embarrassed about how it looked I'd run over and take a picture for
you. This is one of those seemed like a good idea at the time type of
things.

The reveal is there for a very functional reason. Lining up along the
whole edge is difficult. Not impossible, just a pain in the ass. The
tiniest discrepancy shows up. So you're either left with a lot of
sanding and/or filling, or a little bump in what is intended to be one
smooth surface.

R

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:18 AM   #6
Duane Bozarth
 
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bryan wrote:
>
> Thank you for your reply. You're clearly an *A*dvanced *A*rchitecture
> *S*cholar. ...


You posted a question and asked for collective input then insult the
poster of a considered response stated as opinion w/ a basis for
that--not conducive to meaningful dialogue...
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